9.10.2008

Political Hot Topic #1: Abortion Talk

Interesting article concerning how McCain/Palin would eliminate the abortion option if they could thereby leaving women with no "choice" at all. Excerpts: (1) In announcing that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant this week, GOP vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin used this puzzling locution: "We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby." (2) John McCain led us through this same hall of mirrors in 2000 when asked what he would do if his then-15-year-old daughter, Meghan, were pregnant. "The final decision would be made by Meghan with our advice and counsel," he said at the time. The point being that a constitutional amendment banning abortion would have left their daughters with no choice at all. Edit: I cannot begin to tell you how this clip from the Daily Show (beginning at about the 1:00 minute mark) completely makes this point. Watch it. Now. Watch it hard. (Thanks emailer Keith). And a backup link in case youtube takes it down.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is it wrong to say that I really don't care if women get abortions? This topic gets people so fired up, but I really do not care...it's their body, their life...not mine.

Anonymous said...

They mean the choice for giving up the baby for adoption.

Anonymous said...

The greatness of a society should be measured by how we protect the most vulnerable and innocent. That should be children born or unborn. McCain and Palin do appear to have that archaic moral substance built within. In our society of moral decay, it is doubtful we will ever see a liberal understand such.

oldenough said...

OK BG, are you going to start really campaigning for the Obama ticket harder now because I am going to get the "tired head". Also (I am pro-choice, you seem to assume the only choice is to abort or keep the baby, what about the choice of adoption. Is that what he was referring to?

Anonymous said...

Give me a break no Choice! She would have the choice of adopting out the baby or keeping it. Come on surely a man of the law is not a murder.

Anonymous said...

Over 50% of all babies ripped apart during abortion are little girls (someones daughter). Where is their constitutional amendment for a choice?
A little hypocritical wanting all women to have a choice, you think?

Anonymous said...

When you have to be dishonest about something by obscuration to promote it, that thing is probably wrong I don't care what the subject.

M-M said...

The previous writings are correct that if you ban abortion, you are just eliminating one of the choices.

Problem with Roe v Wade, is it only addresses the rights of a women. It is all one sided. If she CHOOSES to have unprotected sex and conceives, the question Rick Warren posed to both candidates is all important, yet ignored by Roe v Wade. When is a baby entitled to human rights? In other words, the right to live. Abortion advocates say a woman has the right to do with her body whatever she wants, but abortion doesn't do anything to her body, it destroys the babys' body.

The choices are prior to sex. Whether or not to have it, and if the choice is to have sex, then whether to have it unprotected or not. Once another human life is conceived, where are his or her rights and why doesn't the constitution protect them.

Anonymous said...

She would still have a choice. Whether it's legal or not hasn't stopped people from using drugs, having abortions and killing people but legalizing everything that some people support and some don't support isn't the answer.

Have sex and you might have a baby. Is it a big secret? Drink alcohol, drive and you might have a wreck or kill someone. Is it a big secret?

Choices are made everyday and some of those choices have consequences attached to them. If people are going to make the choice to do something with an attached consequence, why not be willing to live with it. Otherwise, make the choice that doesn't have the consequence attached.

Anonymous said...

Just to prove a point, I'd like to see abortion be abolished or at least made very difficult to obtain. Then what? What'll happen to all the unwanted kids? There are tens of thousands of unwanted and neglected children in this country and the world right now. What's a few million more? What are the upstanding, goody-goody, right wingers going to do then? How many will you be adopting? How many orphanages will you be funding with your private donations? How much more tax money are you willing to spend for crime protection in 15-20 years when these unwanted kids become old enough to take out their frustration on society. Lastly, put yourself in their shoes - if you knew you were going to be born to a world that did not want you, would you really want to be born?

Anonymous said...

When Sarah Palin said she was proud ;of her daughter's choice, I believe she meant that it was HER DAUGHTER's choice, not the parents. They can guide, advise, and suggest their opinions, but the girl has the ultimate decision. She has three choices: keep it, abort it, or give it up for adoption.

Anonymous said...

Obama voted to kill babies even after an abortion that resulted in the live birth of a living, breathing child.

Anonymous said...

10:35 says,"How many will you be adopting? How many orphanages will you be funding with your private donations?"

What am I, approx. 12:17? answers," One already, probably more in the future. My daughters mother would have killed her in the womb if she would have had the cash, she intentionally drank heavily during pregnancy with the hope the baby would die and has admitted publicly to both of the statements I just made about her.
One- Fosters Home in Stephenville TX"

What about you, jackass?

Anonymous said...

barry, go back and look at "photos that changed the world" . the 6th photo. 21 week old fetus . how could you barron?

Wendy said...

Anon 10:35-the child abuse rate went up when abortion was legalized, not down. Therefore abortion only cheapens life, it doesn't magically get rid of unwanted/neglected children. When life is cheapened, neglect & abuse are the consequences.

I would adopt as many as needed, but in truth, with only 1% of women placing babies for adoption and waiting lists for adoptive parents years long, this would not be an issue.

Let's think about what choice we're talking about. Finish the sentence: A choice to do what? End a life. Yeah, becomes a little more real when we call it what it is.

Anonymous said...

I did admire Palin's daughter's boyfriend for standing there with her on National television. As the baby's father, he has equal responsibility for that child and is obviously going to assume it.

But how many men just break and run?

Jerks.

wordkyle said...

BG, would you be able to get away with this kind of argument in court?

The Slate article uses propagandish language for the article: "puzzling locution" or "hall of mirrors." The candidates simply stated their support for their daughters.

McCain, by the way, allows for exceptions regarding rape, incest, etc., so his opposition does not apply to "all" abortions. Also, overturning Roe v Wade would not outlaw abortions -- it would simply remove Constitutional support for abortion and turn the decision over to the citizens of the individual states.

The Slate article also advocates forcing all healthcare professionals to aid in abortions, regardless of their personal beliefs.

Sir, I suspect you of setting baited traps disguised as poorly-thought out posts. For shame. You know my OCD won't let me ignore such thngs.

Gorilla said...

She would have a choice under such an amendment; afluent persons such as the Palins or McCains would just fly to another country and have the abortion done. Poor people, I guess, would have no choice. I'm sure that scenario would have a positive impact on our society....

Anonymous said...

I think the problem with the abortion issue is that it was left to the courts and hence lawyers. We all know that lawyers have no compassion for the "unborn" or the "born". If they can make a buck, if they can get their name in the paper, if they can do anything to further inflate their own egos then they are going to do it. It is a fact of "life" (or "death" - they really care not).