8.18.2010

Finally, It Is Over

We, for all practical purposes, left Iraq tonight. That idiotic escapade cost 4,415 American soldier's lives and left another 32,000 wounded. And the number of men and women suffering psychological damage cannot be known.

Unforgivable.

And it you want to tell me it was to bring democracy to those who were oppressed by Saddam Hussein, hold your breath. Freedom for them? They are all Muslims. You don't even want them to have the freedom to build a church in this country. Right?

And in a few years, Iraq will be in more chaos than ever.

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

A sad picture that reminds me of this verse from a Vietnam era protest song: "Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards everyone. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?" from Pete Seegers "Where Have all the Flowers Gone".

Candance said...

Very well said.

Hobbes said...

I look at the Iraq War question with this thought in mind. Before the war, the average Baghdad citizen could turn on a light switch at any time and the light came on. Now they are lucky if they have two hours of electricity a day.

Oh well, at least Haliburton and the other 1% of America made a killing. "Like the toys of a rich kid at Christmas"

No Fake Kurt Vonnegut

Anonymous said...

Not to bring democracy, but end a tyrant that conscripted children into cannon fodder, placed people in huge meat grinders, and tortured any and all who disagreed. Not to mention that the country allowed many who either supported or participated in supporting activities of terrorism run free within the borders. I am sad for those that were lost, but I would rather have blood spilled on their sand, than our cities! I know that many say that there is no proof, but that argument no longer holds true when President Obama can use the excuse "it could have been worse....." for our current economic situation and even lacked faith in the success of the surge! I hate war, but after all it is just politics with weapons!

Goober said...

Oh, contraire Monsieur Green; it just keeps going. Remember, the reason we put "boots on the ground" in that region of the world was because of some guy named Osama something or another. Anyone remember him? The next thing you know, the Leader of the Free World is on the internets and television convincing all faithful of his philosphical genre that we MUST go to Iraq. After all, "that's the man that tried to kill my daddy". (All you neighsayers look it up, Bush said that in a TV interview). No Barry, it is far from over, and I predict another 1000 American lives lost or forever maimed before we ARE out. For years the right has hung Viet Nam on Johnson et. al.; welcome to the club, boys!

Anonymous said...

You sir are an idiot.

Anonymous said...

well said, Barry, well said

Anonymous said...

It's not a church, hoss, it's a mosque. And drawing a parallel between these two issues is ludicrous. Most true Americans will never forget the tragedy perpetrated by Muslims against our own on 9/11 and to allow those who hate us and want us dead to construct a monument to their victory only 2 blocks from the twin towers is completely unacceptable and will prove to be a huge mistake.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, Muslims can build mosques in our country, but not two blocks from hallowed ground without offending the families who lost loved ones murdered by Muslims on 9/11.

We are on Bush's schedule to leave Iraq. It is up to them to decide their future. If Iran will stay out, they may have a chance.

Ground Zero is hallowed ground. Thousands of innocent women, men and children were murdered there in the name of Allah. Because of radical Islamic terrorists, a mosque built to bring thousands from all over the world, gives the appearance of the location becoming a Mecca. Morally, it is wrong, regardless of it being legal or having the freedom to build it.

If Muslims are attempting to teach religous tolerance by this act, they are not listening to the outcrys.

Perhaps they need to start teaching religous tolerance to their own first to prevent any more attacks on Western Civilization.

We are not the ones who need to be lectured to regarding religous tolerance; not by liberals, our president or by Muslims.

Muslim countries need to progress into the modern world in giving women equal rights. Will women be allowed to pray in the same room with men in the new mosque? What truly American woman or liberal accept not being equal? Again, don't lecture us on freedom or tolerance when women are being wrapped in black veils.

Religous tolerance is not one sided. Muslims need to make the first step in actions, not just empty words.

ellis said...

we have become a nation of idiots , led by stark raving idiots.
who, in their right mind, would send troops over their with no intention of winning?
who?
when will we ever learn?

Anonymous said...

Being a Muslim yourself, why dont you mave yourself to Iraq. Leave Wise county to Americans who care about the constitution and our patriatism. How many deaths in World War II, how many in car wrecks every day, planes, drugs, murder. You say Ala I say God.

Anonymous said...

So how'd we do? Did we win the war?

Anonymous said...

Decatur's Travis Reese (son of Hal & Lori Reese) is headed to Iraq within the next 2 weeks. Please continue to Pray and support these kids who believe they are called to use their talents to protect and defend our country.

Anonymous said...

agree, unforgivable.

Anonymous said...

Amazing you know so much about this and we have other people in charge of it all.

If I have a brain tumor, I go to a neurosugeon. Someone selected by society for his intelligence and ability to perform a professional, high stakes function. I don't butt in much because he is more qualified in his field than I am.

Our military professionals are similarly selected and trained. Why wouldn't we let them do their jobs? It really is unlikely that a DWI lawyer in a podunk town in Texas is more qualified to run our defense, or remove brain tumors for that matter.

As for the numbers you like to spout, dead, maimed etc. A little simple math would show their statistical and comparative insignificance. That too, (simple math) you are probably incapable of. Do you like to also criticize the physics professors at MIT?

Anonymous said...

What, dear sir, was Bush supposed to do? Evidence of WMDs and possible collusion with terrorists. Baghdad as a safe haven for Al Qaida.

Though we can look through the 20/20 prism of hindsight, Bush's decision had to be based on information he had at the time.

What do we have today? Democracy in the Middle East. A tyrannical despot is dead. Al Qaida hiding in the mountains of Pakistan.

Yes, it was worth it.

Silicone Alley said...

Why don't you say that to the face of a Marine who has been there and seen what the people of that country have been through?

And please let us know how that goes.

Anonymous said...

The Iraqi war was never about bringing freedom to the people of Iraq, it was about making the world a safer place. We could argue the WMD thing all day, but politicians on both sides of the isle agreed Iraq had them prior to the invasion, it only became political capital for the left when we never found them.

I think it remains to be seen whether or not the world actually becomes safer place because of this war. For the record, we are not really leaving Iraq, private security firms will just fill the void left by our soldiers...so if you despise the war you should feel all warm and cozy about the mercenaries taking over. This is just political maneuvering at its finest; it will not change a thing about Iraq or fulfill any campaign promises I can assure you!

Anonymous said...

what a waste in iraq. still "terrorists" there. will always be. same for afghanistan, things are only getting worse.

we have lost both of these "wars". pretty tough to admit though as we continually send servicemen and women over there to police these subhumans that set off IEDs and blow themselves up for allah - all in the the name of "protecting America's freedom".

Anonymous said...

History will tell whether this war was necessary or not. If it wasn't, I'd sure hate to have all that blood on my hands.

God bless our troops. They just go and do as they are told. I so appreciate their service.

Anonymous said...

man the rangers lost 3 straight to tampa bay (a team that we'd could face in the playoffs). although we're up 7.5 games in the AL west, we need to turn things around quickly as we need to go into the playoffs with a bit of momentum.

also, i am starting to get a little concerned about the injuries to the cowboys offensive line. if they can't protect romo, this is surely going to be a long season.

Anonymous said...

I bet that chick wouldn't put out cuz she's all messed up and would never think of you in a sexual way or somethin.

the old professor said...

To S.A ond others:

Be careful about spouting the feelings/position of those in the miltary. I spend entire semesters with veterans of all three major services who have served in both Iraq and Afgan. Their feelings/positions reflect those of the citizens of this country, everything from "it is the most moral, righteous war ever raged" to "we could have done the same thing w/ covert ops. and risked far fewer American lives" to "this was even more stupid than Viet Nam", all quotes I remember my student veterans making. The bottom line is, only history can determine the true outcome. And by then, most of us will be with those young service men and womwn who have preceded us and all of us will simply be names on a stone in some some field or building. The only people who can truely make the call of the worth or waste are the parents, wives, sons and daughters of those impacted by the events. And they shouldn't have to.

Anonymous said...

For once, I agree with you on every point, Barry. This military initiative was ridiculous from the outset and never should have occurred.

Mosque/church=places of worship. When did Christianity get so damn arrogant that it became THE only religion? God is quaking at your arrogance and your intolerance.

Anonymous said...

The war is not over. That is Obama just wanting people to like him again for a brief moment. My friend was just told this morning that he will probably deploy in a month or 2 back over there. It is all BULLSHIT and Barry you are a fing idiot to believe your beloved leader.

Anonymous said...

Barry:

I am giving you a standing ovation for FINALLY standing up for the truth...

We lost way too many soldiers in Iraq. Our soldiers were fighting for Muslims' freedoms in Iraq, but our citizens don't want to allow them their religious freedom right here in the USA. THE HOME OF THE FREE.

As far as Iraqis being abused by their leader at the time, well, what about North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc., etc. Does that give us the right to risk the lives of our military so we can dictate to other countries how to run their countries. I don't think Americans would take too kindly of any foreign country trying to tell us how to run ours.

Yes, the last of the combative battalions have left Iraq as of last night. Some of the soldiers were interviewed last night as they crossed the Kuwait border and their faces reflected their joy, pride and relief. Are you saying they are distorting the truth about leaving Iraq too. They have lived it, they aren't the armchair quarterbacks!

Pay attention and actually listen!
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid!

Anonymous said...

Let's see if we can build a Christian house of worship and community center near Mecca or Medina.

Oh, right. We're not even allowed to go in to those cities unless we're Muslim.

Anonymous said...

7:24 It's nuts like you who frighten me the most. Ground Zero is no more "hallowed" than every other parcel of real estate where someone has kicked it....pretty much everywhere. What in your mind makes those who died in 9/11 any more special than the rest of the world? You are a total and complete idiot. Ground Zero is real estate..nothing more, nothing less.

Anonymous said...

so Barry you deny my comment on last weeks mosque mention, basically paralleling Olbermann's take, then you seem to be in support of my comment by hyping the Olbermann link. should i have thrown the n word or a banjo joke in there somewhere to get my comment thru? i don't understand your rules of comment censure... i didn't break any of your posted guidelines. sheesh

Anonymous said...

Muslim is not a religion, its an organization of false doctrin, false beliefes, and a false god.
Those of you that take up for them are them. Listen, CHRISTIAN, sounds different to me than muslim.
The day will tell.

Anonymous said...

Have any of you claiming the blocks around Ground Zero are "hallowed" actually been to NYC? Have you walked around that neighborhood? While I agree that it would be offensive to put a Mosque right where the Towers stood, this is not the case. Here is a sampling of the other businesses nearby, including a strip club:
http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

And before you get all measuring-stick "American" on me, yes I'm from New York. Yes, I personally lost friends in 9/11. No, I'm not a Muslim. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

Anonymous said...

We should build a Banjo factory next to the Mecca.

Anonymous said...

We have to remember it was Al Qaeda that carried out the 9/11 attacks, not the Muslim religion. The right has tried, with some success, to make Muslims and Al Qaeda one and the same. Al Qaeda killed 3,000 Americans of all faiths that day and over the last 9years Al Qaeda has killed over 100,000 Muslims in terrorist attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The 9/11 attackers have killed more Muslims than all the other groups of people combined and yet the right wants you to believe the terrorists only want to kill us and this building in NY is somehow connected to that.
If they ever give Texas an emema, they will stick the hose in Wise County.

Anonymous said...

we should have made a parking lot out of Iraq on 9/12

Anonymous said...

You liberals have a bad case of stupid. We were not fighting for freedom of religion. We were fighting for exactly what Ted Kennedy said we were fighting for and for the reasons he voted for the war. There is a very public CIA report that gives the details. However, I am 100% sure that you have not read it.

The Devil said...

The right has never tried to make Al Qaeda and the Muslim religion one and the same. George Bush immediately came out after the attacks and spoke to the nation about this. You are only speaking about your deluded perception of the "right". Yes, I would assume because of the attacks there are Americans who simply took it that all Muslims were radical terrorists---note, there is an ignorant gene pool at the bottom of both major political parties in this country. I would include anyone who talks of giving states an "emema", whatever that is, in that low end!!! I consider you the same as the redneck who wants to round up those dang ol Muslims and hang em!!!

As I have said before, the issue of the near GZ mosque has nothing to do with religious freedom. I most certainly agree that legally they have the right to build it as planned, but given the backlash why would they continue down a path that would only prove hurtful to many Americans and do nothing to change the negative perception many Americans have toward them. For the record, when I say "them", I am only referring to Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Cordoba Initiative, their supporters and financiers in this project, not Muslims in general. Many Muslims have already spoken out about their dismay over this project and how it will undoubtedly hamper efforts to interweave America's Muslim population into mainstream society! So what is Rauf's motive in this project? A monument, a shrine, symbolism? Only he knows and he has said enough in the past to raise concern; even if his motives are truly sincere, Christian and Muslim radicals alike will use this place as a target or a shrine!

This is not a "right" or "left" issue it is about what makes damn good common sense for all of America, and common sense says it does not pass the smell test.

Anonymous said...

11:30 your arrogance is underwhelming. Just because chrisianity is YOUR belief doesn't mean you have all the answers. Yes, time will tell, and my bets are on tolerance and openness to ALL religions. YOU are the folks who are drinking the Kool-aid.

12: 19 Good points. the "hallowed ground" comment really sent me over the top....ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

chick in the picture needs to move on and get on with life....stupid

Anonymous said...

10:57 Is the mounument in Pearl Harbor and the Alamo just "real estate" and nothing more? Have you been there? I have and like Ground Zero, when one visits the sites, they are standing on hallowed ground. I bet when you visit grave yards, you walk across the graves.

Anonymous said...

2:36 Ground is ground. If one tried to avoid walking where someone at some time in the history of the world had died, you wouldn't be walking. Get over it.

wordkyle said...

What's the scenario if the US had not gone into Iraq? Here's a possible one:

* Saddam Hussein still ruling, likely more powerful than ever as the leaky embargo collapsed and sanctions loosened or removed completely. According to the New York Times, Hussein murdered a million of his own people. He would have had another decade to continue.

* A hostile regime intent on developing a nuclear program a la North Korea and Iran.

* Terrorists better trained, funded and supplied. Target: Mainland United States.

Of course, this is all supposition. He might have learned his lesson and become an ambassador of peace and goodwill. How would you bet your money?

Anonymous said...

Honestly if I had died on 9/11 I would want the killing to stop along with the sadness. No war, no suffering, and everyone move on with their lives. Just remember the people well, not tragically.

Anonymous said...

liberals will never get it, they able to speak what they desire because of the wars we have fought!!

Anonymous said...

Barry, you've been watching entirely too much MSNBC and Olberman again. Throw in the outdoor channel from time to time to keep you calibrated.

Anonymous said...

OK, so let's go back in time and have no Iraq intervention. We let Iraq have Kuwait, then Saudi Arabia, then Iran. Then, Israel is attacked and taken over. A few nukes are fired at the Muslim world by Israel, but it doesn't stop Israel from being taken down. Then, the U.S. has to declare war and invade Israel and so on....and instead of 4,415 lives lost, it's 100,000 and a nice little atmospheric layer of radiation. You simply CANNOT look at just the path taken. The path not taken would have taken us somewhere else for sure, maybe somewhere that could have been much, much worse. We don't ever know, we don't ever see, but it's real nevertheless.

Anonymous said...

Did I miss something here? The US still has 50,000 troops in Iraq. That's a big number. They (Obama, Barry, news media) may say we're out but it ain't so. If somebody already mentioned this, sorry -- nothing to read here, just move along.

el chupacabra said...

I would be very curious to know if that war is chief among Bush's regrets. It would have to be if he has half a heart although I know he would never, ever admit it.

Anonymous said...

1:49
What planet have you been on for the last few years?

Anonymous said...

1:49
So you are saying that you should give up your constitutional right on any matter that might create a backlash?
Cowards give up to avoid trouble.
Seriously, you don't know what an enema is? Maybe if you knew then the sarcasm would not have been a mystery to you.

Liz said...

When any religious system thinks that it's understanding of God is the same thing as God it becomes idolatrous and it kills ......No religion has all the answers. It's an individual journey for a life time.

Anonymous said...

i want some of whatever 6:13 is smoking.

let israel fend for itself. there's a few here in the USA who are not particularly fond of the jews either.

M-M said...

I didn't agree with the Iraq war. Don't agree with the Afghanistan war either. Although Obama is getting us out, he's still leaving 50,000 troops there, so that's not keeping his campaign promise which was to have every soldier out and his promise was for last summer. He's actually following the Bush exit plan. Obama has escalated Afghanistan, yet where's the criticism from the media etc. like Bush received?

Anonymous said...

Muslims are teaching Sharia Law in 80% of mosques in our country. The developer of the Ground Zero mosque gave $360,000 to break Israel's blockade of arms to Gaza. In England Sharia Law is already written into law regarding divorce, family issues among Muslims.

The Ground Zero Mosque will teach Sharia Law, which includes Jihad on Christians, Jews and free open societies.

Even if the developer was the most progressive, peaceful, honest broker for religious tolerance, it is wrong to build a mosque next to the buildings destroyed in a planned murderous attack on free enterprise on 9/11. Our military was attacked in the same plot and if brave men and women had not taken over the last plane, our seat of government would have been attacked, all in the name of Allah.

We do not need to become distracted from the real issue. It is not about religious tolerance. It is about standing up to a continued threat to our liberty and freedom, especially for the rights of women.

The ultimate goal is Sharia Law will replace constitutional law. We must not make the same mistakes made in England. Our country was founded on Christian Judea principles, not the teachings of the Koran.

Anonymous said...

IGNORANCE = FEAR! That's all I have to say!

Anonymous said...

I've blow'd that picture up to the maximum and you can nearly see up her nose or somethin.

The Devil said...

9:47...No, you should not give up your constitutional rights because of backlash, but you should pick your battles wisely! I am curious to follow the money trail once the Mosque/Community center gets going. It will be interesting to see where the financing comes from after Rauf goes on his state sponsored fund raising tour of the middle east!

Cowards fly planes into buildings and blow innocent people up! Cowards acquiesce to their enemies when attacked!

I know what an enema is just have no clue what an "emema" is. Seriously, your sarcasm is quite childlike, much like a good game of "I know you are but what am I"!

Anonymous said...

10:28

Keep yourself busy and follow the money trail for all the mosques that have been built, are being built and will be built in our great country! Who cares? What does it matter? It is what it is! Freedom of religion!

Liz said...

Amen 9:15

Fear is one of the main sources of cruelty.

wordkyle said...

Perhaps those people who proclaim "freedom of religion" (many for the first time) as their defense of the mosque should think about Thomas Jefferson's words: "strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."

Anonymous said...

11:00 - you are soo boring! Freedom of religion is the point here - maybe it passed you by!

The Devil said...

I have said it before, what this country needs is more freedom from religion than freedom of religion!

Would you support my religion if I created one tomorrow based on hate, fear, and criminal behavior? Yes I have a right to create it, but the law has the right to punish me if I break the law! Religous freedom is one thing, but should we allow special exemptions for members of religions whose beliefs and customs are contrary to our laws. I am fine with the legal aspect of the GZ mosque, but what you do not understand about Muslim culture is that it seeks to intertwine itself with government so the two are inseperable. Muslim culture does not accept the seperation between church and state, so when they ask for freedom they are really asking for much more. They want to be able to practice their religion as if they were in their home country and feel Sharia Law should take precedent over our law.

Ignorance=Fear...I will agree, Steve Erwin knows much more about the Stingray today then he did before!

I will leave you with an interesting quote from the developer of the GZ Mosque project, Sharif El-Gamal, he said the building will be "the most famous community center in the WORLD" when speaking members of the New York media.

Anonymous said...

I love you for writing this piece!

Anonymous said...

I guess who ever wrote this likes Hitler too? Just sayin