7.01.2008

When Did Susan B. Anthony Come Back To Life?

How did this slip by me? The First United Methodist Church in Bridgeport has a new pastor and he is a woman? Huh? Is that possible? Doesn't the Bible call this an "abomination" or something like that? (Edit: My bad. It's homosexuality that's an abomination. That and the eating of fish. Liberally Lean regrets this error.)

This progressiveness has to stop. The next thing you know they'll want to vote or something.

Note: Unlike the Baptists (where God lets the congregation choose its pastors and routinely only leads preachers to higher paying jobs), the Methodists "assigns" its ministers. Kind of like being a manager of Arby's, but different.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Barry, we Baptist have about as much luck with pastors as Alvord has with superintendents.

It is strange how God always seems to call them to higher paying positions.

As with all votes, the majority isn't always "in the spirit" in Baptist churches.

But alas, all is not lost. A preacher gets fired, he just rents and building and starts his own church where he won't be bother with troublesome votes.

Anonymous said...

it's only an abomination to eat fish without scales (catfish),or animals with hooves..that sux!!

Anonymous said...

Bet you're a card holder for Jarhead's women against feminism

Anonymous said...

I think just heard an explosion over Wise County.

Anonymous said...

I do not know God's law regarding women being permitted to be ministers. I don't recall reading about one in the Bible. Christians (so they call themselves) do not feel the need to follow the religion of Jesus.

Anonymous said...

yep, and she is nice.

Anonymous said...

Not all fish - just shellfish.

Double Fake George Costanza

Jarhead said...

Kooky Protestants and their women preachers...

betty boop said...

Wow, Barry...religion and homosexuality all in the same post...here we go!

Anonymous said...

The Arlen First United Methodist Church has had a female pastor for years.

(Stay away from the lutefisk)




Double Fake Bobby Hill

Anonymous said...

A little behind there, Barry? A woman was appointed to the Methodist minister's job in Boyd YEARS ago.

Anonymous said...

Well Barry, Dana is married and her husband joined the church Sunday. Sounds pretty straight to me.

And by the way, Wise County has a female pastor in Chico and one in Bowie. Boyd had one several years ago and most of the city churches have at least one female on staff.

It is a strange situation that many churches won't let women preach, but let them do everything else in the church. Never have figured that one out!

Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to be a part of a stiff necked church that didn't let women preach. Even the Episcopals are raising heck about this issue.

Good for them!

Anonymous said...

Chico's Methodist church has had a female pastor for quite some time.

Anonymous said...

The Baptist church allows their pastors to be canned so that the Deacons can remain in clear control. The deacons are a group of politically savvy, pillars of the community who have been "elected" in much the same way that one is elected as "most popular" during their 7th or 8th grade year in school. They are deeply seated in their ability to ban together to ensure that no outside force can move them (particularly the truth of scripture). As any pastor begins to gain too much notariety then they must move swiftly to eliminate this risk to their own power base or their own personal incomes. They hold a position much like the Pharisees who upheld the jewish law in the time of Christ. I should qualify that I am not speaking of all Baptist churches, only FBC Decatur.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely one of the best sermons I have heard in years! Rev. Coker was polished, sincere and humble. I am glad she is here.

Anonymous said...

2:28 The political aspect drove my husband and me away from any organized church years ago. We could not reconcil our church split ovr personalities with any biblical teaching.

Anonymous said...

If only we could all learn to live according to this simple prayer regardless of gender, race, nationality or religious affilation...

Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen

Anonymous said...

Can anybody tell me if any of the Churches have Banjo's in their Bands?

I's just wonderin.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of culinary abominations why is it reallly illegal to eat horses? Recently I read an article that said slaughtering horses was banned in Texas and Illinois. In 2006 there were 100,000 slaughtered between the two. I know there used to be people around here who shipped them off for slaughter but,I didn't know Texas had slaughterhouses for them.
I wouldn't be interested in partaking for religious reasons but,I don't guess it matters otherwise. Is it because the most vocal people who don't think you should are getting laws changed?
One article referenced legislation on this subject going back to 1949. Most of the comments about it I found droned on about how the noble horse has served as beast of burden,companion,blah,blah etc.
But the American Quartehorse Assocition says abuse would grow exponentially because of bans.
I don't know. It's just weird I think most people don't know that's happening. I have no interest in eating one but it seems strange to ban it through legislation.
I don't know how I got started on this. I guess it's bothering me and I don't know what to think.

Anonymous said...

Methodists can drink alcohol and Baptists can't!! (out in the open)

Anonymous said...

That's why God invented red cups! Seen some in fellow Christians who are of the supposed non-drinker faith.

Anonymous said...

Good riddence Mike Miller.

RPM said...

Always take 2 Baptists when you go fishing. If you take only one he'll drink all your beer.

Anonymous said...

I am Methodist but have lots of great Baptist friends. We joke about the Baptist preachers getting the "call" to move - it's not as much about where God wants them (though that is certainly a factor) - come on, it's about a disgruntled congregation or a preacher gets a chance at a "better paying job".

It's good that preachers move on. Congregations get too attached and that can cause lots of problems.

Anonymous said...

i member once when i was a kid,one day we saw a car pull up and we looked out the window and dad said, that looks like a preacher. as he walked up to the house dad said if he is a baptist then hide all the money, and if he's a methodist then hide all the liquor, and dad said and if he's one of them evangalist preachers boy you jump up there on your mamas lap and stay there..

Anonymous said...

My father, the cattle baron, abhors horses on his property, because of the damage they do to the grasses - they just pull it up by the roots, and nothing but weeds grow back. Just take a look at all those poor horses on their 1/4 acre lots, nosing around in the dirt...it's very sad.

I'd rather someone eat a horse than see it starve to death, 3:47PM. You know, all those ranchette owner's who have horses they can't feed any more because their McMansion's are being foreclosed on, after they lost their jobs because of the recession.

P.S. Methodists, for the most part, rock! I've only met a few I didn't like, and it wasn't because of the religion, they were just born arseholes.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if most folks who suffer from shellfish allergies aren't either Jewish or literal interpreters of the Old Testament, i.e. highly strung evangelicals.

Anonymous said...

1 Tim. 2:12-13, “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed then Eve.” 1 Cor. 14:33-36, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
I haven't darkened the doors of a church in years but,I know more about the Bible than a lot of folks. That either means what it says or the whole Bible means nothing at all. Disregard for your own scriptures is why so many of us may never go into a church building again until we're carried in feet first. Sad but true and I hate the thought worse than anyone.

Anonymous said...

5:18 - wow, your P. S. says a lot. That applies to humanity, what ever profession.

The only thing lacking about born $$holes is that they should be registered.

Anonymous said...

The Bible says in 1 Timothy chapter 3 verses 1-3,This is giving qualifications for a preacher. 1. This is a true saying,If a MAN desire the office of a bishop(preacher),he disireth a good work.2. A bisop(preacher) then must be blameless,the HUSBAND of one wife,vigilant,sober,of good behavior,given to hospitality, apt to teach.3. Not given to wine,no striker,not a brawler,not covetous. Why don't some of you just pick up a Bible ever once and awhile and read it and you will know what it says. And you won't have to guess.

Anonymous said...

5:46 - wherever you go to church, I DO NOT WANT TO GO.

Care to tell us which one?

Anonymous said...

I agree, 7:30.
I avoid people like 5:45 as much as possible. And I don't think they bring many people into their church.
5:46 is about as unloving and about as opposite of what I think of as Jesus as can be.
I am betting that he/she loves to gossip about people; people like that are just waiting for someone to mess up so they can talk about them; they seem to take joy in other people's pain. That's pretty close to being EVIL.

AnObiter said...

Susan B. Anthony had nothing to do with women pastors. She lobbied to give us the vote.

Get your iconic chicks straight. Geez....

Anonymous said...

do u know the difference between jimmy swaggart and a pickpocket???? give up....a pickpocket snatches watches..ha ha ha..

Anonymous said...

i believe we should end womens sufferage!!!!!NOW!!!

Anonymous said...

I don't know why you people are so upset at some of the posters quoting scriptures. I appreciate those who read the Book and not just rely on someone else to tell them what to believe. Thank you 5:39 and 5:46, now I will read it tonite before I turn in. I am another who does not go to church because the churches seem to ignore God's laws.

Anonymous said...

I'm all far scripture and reading the bible. Just watch out for those who get stuck on quoting scripture and forget to live it.

Anonymous said...

I WOULD DO HER IN A GAY WAY.




THE DEVIL

Anonymous said...

8:32 You sound like the evil one I was just putting what the Bible says. And if you can't take it I"m sorry maybe if you are saved when we go to heaven you will see. The truth.God will revill all things. You don't know me but yet you are makeing a judgement call about me That the Bible says is Evil.5:39 I hate that you haven't been to church in years but I do understand. It is nice to see someone knows there Bible. 7:30 No you probably wouldn't come to my church because we believe the Bible to be the truth and we try our best to live by it.

Anonymous said...

I also find it amusing that most Bible thumpers don't actually have a clue about what is written there. Most want to get back to basics and literally interpret what the Bible says -'cept they really don't know what it says. The Timothy quotes, above, are correct. If you believe Timothy, there would be no women in key roles in the church. Obviously many ignore this as they do many other old and new testament requirements. (BTW - the Bible doesn't prohibit alcohol - it mentions wine being used many times. And remember Noah got so drunk a couple of times his daughters got him to impregnate them. Oopse - probably shouldn't mention that).

Anonymous said...

2:28 - I also go to FBC and not everyone sees it the way you do.

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess when we strip it down, it really isn't about church anyway, but a personal relationship with Christ.

Barry is one smart man and can count on lots of hits when religion is the topic, or church, or the Bible, or denomination, whatever.

Go Barry!

Anonymous said...

Women can teach other women,children and non Christian adult males in the church and personal work. As in every day life they are really the backbone of a society regardless of roles but,God has certain roles for them in the church. These don't include preaching.
I did not become a Christian until late in life. I'm consistently impressed by the number of men I know who have been taught about Christ through women doing personal teaching. There were 3 women who were key for me-1 is dead,1 still worships there in Decatur and 1 I have no idea.
I love you all for your faith and what you do for our churches and society. God Bless You.

Anonymous said...

You're right,women can teach women stuff and I like it a whole bunch.

Anonymous said...

10:41 The Bible says not to look up on the wine when it is red,when it giveth his colour in the cup ,when it moveth itself aright. That means when grape juice has set long enough it will become a strong drink like alcohol.Jesus Never violated the scriptures and there are many scriptures that say don't drink read "Proverbs" chpt 23 29-35 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contention? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without a cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30-They that tarry long at the wine they that go to seek mixed wine.31-Look not thou upon the wine when it is red,when it giveth his colour in the cup,when it moveth itself aright.32-At the last it biteth like a serpent and stinith like an adder.33-Thine eyes shall behold strange women,and thine heart shall utter perverse things.34 Yea thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midstof the sea or has he that lieth upon the top of a mast.35-They have stricken me ,shalt thou say and I was not sick;they have beaten me and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again. Now Jesus drink grape juice do a study and you will see he never drink it when it was alcohol. You can interpret the Bible to fit your life but in actuallity when you study it the scriptures are very clear.

Anonymous said...

10:41 yes Noah did get drunk and comitted one of the worse sins but Noah paid for that too. But what is great no matter what you have done mistakes you have made God can still use you if you repent. His mercy is renewed every morning. So not its not an oops to mention that anyone who reads there Bible should know that story. But let the be an excuse to say drinking is ok because it is not. How many families have to be destroyed or lives lost to prove that.

Anonymous said...

1 Timothy also says women should not braid their hair. For the posters above who obviously do not believe women should preach, does your wife/daughter(s) wear make-up or braid their hair? If they do, then you are choosing which part of scripture to obey also. Many theologians believe Paul's directions were specific to the church at Ephesus at that particular time in the life of the "new" Christian church. I don't know about that but I do know God blesses what is good and righteous. If you believe God only blesses a church with male pastors, you have my sympathy.

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of conservative BIGOTS!

Anonymous said...

Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding. How do you get around that? (That's a rhetorical question - I really don't want to know.)

But that really wasn't the reason for my post. My comment is that usually all the scripture quoters are quoting things you should not do - should not drink; should not be gay; women should not be preachers, etc. THey seem to live their religion with the emphasis on fear and sinning.

They seldom, if ever, quote the scriptures about God being love; that you should love your neighbor and your enemies as well, that you should forgive, turn the other cheek, NOT judge others, that when you help the least of these (the poor, the sick, the homeless), it is the same as helping God/Jesus, that the greatest commandment is to love yourself and love others. Those scriptures stress the joy of God. The Methodist Church does a good job of stressing the joy most of the time.

You have to remember (& many will argue with me on this which I find remarkable) religious scriptures were written by MEN who were divinely inspired (hopefully),----- although there are some passages of war and rape and retribution, and what to eat and not eat, and that a woman on her period has to sleep away from her husband because she is not clean------ that don't seem too divinely inspired. God or Jesus did not come down and grab a pen and begin to write their teachings. Even the New Testament wasn't written until 40 - 50 years after Jesus was killed. So those men had to remember his stories for 40 years and then they wrote them down. Paul writes a lot but he was only a disciple, not the original Jesus, and some of his letters seem out of step. I think it is the timelessness of Jesus's teachings, even if they were written 40 years after he lived them and told them, that shows his divinity. Those stories applied easily 2000 years ago, and easily now. Who hasn't known a prodigal son or a arrogant greedy rich man?

The problem with religion, all religions, is that their Holy books come from HUMANS trying to interpret the Divine & write it down... on a good day. On other days they have less pure motives. And humans are, well, human, they are not perfect and they don't get the divine right because they try to make God into a powerful king or something, and God is so much more than that. I believe that man actually tries to make God in his own image, not the other way around.

I prefer to seek the spiritual that is in all living things. You would be surprised how inspiring and uplifting and eternal that is.

If you are interested in getting help in how to reach the spiritual, the Oversoul, the Source, the Being, God, whatever you want to call it, try Gary Zukav's book "The Seat of the Soul" and Eckhart Tolle's "The New Earth" If you are ready for it, it will change your life in a significant and happy way.

Here's to the joy and love all around us!

Anonymous said...

The scriptures that we read today were written during a different era. When you read them you will see that they are laced with a lot of masculine wording, primarily because of time when they were written. If you believe that women should not have a voice in todays era try and pass that by your wife, mother, or daughter. Or how about allowing your daughter to get married at the age of 14, as was common back then. If you think that they'll have no problem with it, then let me introduce you to a few people that would.

People always want to pull parts of scripture out that support their beliefs and throw out the rest. How often have you given up all of your possessions to follow Christ, or even loved your neighbor as yourself (not only your neighbor locally but also those more distant and abroad regardless of race, gender, or color). These are some of the basic Christ principles that are present throughout and that are suppose to follow. People often forget that above all else we are suppose to be loving toward one another. We are suppose to be listening and interpretting the words of God spoken through the speaker not putting judgement on the speaker.

Anonymous said...

I am 43 years of age and was saved and baptised less than a year ago. I am a baptist. I drink beer and drink to the point of intoxication. I do not advertise this fact nor do I deny it. I discussed this particular flaw of mine with my preacher before I was baptised. A person is not a hypocrite because they sin. A person is a hypocrite if they act like something (a sinner acting like a non-sinner) that they are not. All christians are sinners, not all christians are hypocrites.

Anonymous said...

For those who believe 1 Timothy should be interpreted literally without regard to the era it addresses, it also tells you how you should treat your slaves.

Jarhead said...

Saved from what? Scary monsters?
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What's the difference between being saved and being baptized? Do they have to go hand in hand? Can you be Baptized as a protestant without being saved first? Can you be saved but not baptized?
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Why can't Baptists drink alcohol? Wait... I'll rephrase that... Why aren't Baptists supposed to drink alcohol?
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Just wondering. Your world frightens and confuses me. ;)

Anonymous said...

Yeah,thanks for confirming my take on the issue.The Bible either means what it says or it doesn't mean anything at all.

Anonymous said...

good point, 12:00.

Anonymous said...

So here's my question:

What if we all believed in God all our lives and then we die and that's it...Nothing.

All our lives were for naught other than just being good people.

Anonymous said...

Well, I doubt if Rev. Dana Coker has been here long enough to find this blogsite and read all these comments that originated about her appointment to First UMC, Bridgeport.

She'd probably be very flattered.

Her credentials are certainly impressive, and she is the youngest minister in our conference. Wow!

Anonymous said...

The word wine was used generically in the first century. If your life depended on it you could not prove Jesus provided the wedding with an alcoholic beverage. The best 'wines' from other texts of the period were said to be so particularly because they were stored and processed so well they were free of alcohol. They were basically condensed juice.
If he were alive today can you imagine him offering you a crack pipe or a 40?

Anonymous said...

Reading John 2 about Jesus changing water into wine, it sounds like wine made people drunk. That what it says. It does not sound to me like he was making grape juice.

Anonymous said...

5:01
If your life depended on it, you couldn't PROVE Jesus did anything.
It's all about faith & you either have it or you don't.

It's so important to you to "prove" Jesus did NOT turn water into wine, when the translated scriptures say he did. The intention behind using the English word "wine" would have been to translate it closest to what we think of as wine. If the word was closer to meaning "juice", why wouldn't they use the word juice?

I don't know many that equate a crack pipe with a glass of wine.
Get some therapy.

Anonymous said...

All I will say is that one day you will all see. Our Savior the Lord Jesus is coming back and his tarry is coming we will one day meet our fate and it will all be revealed. No 1:11 saved and baptism is not the same. Salvation is a free gift you must realize that you are a sinner and ask the Lord to forgive you and come into your heart and save you. Baptism is the death,burial and reserection you are just showing that after you got saved the old man is dead and buried and now you are a new creature and that you believe like your fellow believers. I believe you must be saved to go to heaven and not just baptised that comes after. And yes there are many people who have been saved and not baptised and vice versa. And there are scriptures in the Bible to back all of this info up. And for those of you who don't believe the Bible to be teaching us in this day and time. I feel for you, you have never felt the Living Word. It is powerful. And yes there are alot we can't do but we should focus on the good we can.

Anonymous said...

I think it is powerful too 9:58, but better practiced than preached.

Anonymous said...

How will they hear without a preacher, that is what the Book says,there has to be preachers. And yes I try my best live what I preach. But Iam human and humans fail, but I get right back up and try again.

Anonymous said...

The word in question is oinos. To properly translate it's meaning it must always be considered contextually. In the first century there were many methods to preserve wine and the "best" in religious and historical documents consistently were considered so because they were without alcohol(or likely often trace amounts). I don't care whether you are AOG,Baptist,Methodist or Church of Christ, ask your preacher if this assessment isn't correct. Depending, he/she may offer caveats to assuage both of your consciences but this is basically correct.
Yes,there was intoxicating wine then and yes people drank until they fell over but,if your life depended on it you could not prove the wine Jesus provided at the wedding was alcoholic.
I loved to drink more than anybody but,there are some things you forsake to follow Christ and of course it's for the best whether we realize it or not.

Anonymous said...

9:12 - you certainly have the right idea - we all fall down and get up and go again if our faith remains strong.

As for preachers, we have way way way too many of those who grab a Bible, start quoting Scripture, grab up a few folks who are disgruntled with their church home, and off they go, producing more ignorance, etc.

I don't trust any preacher who hasn't done the hard work going to seminary for intense study of the Bible and the major world theologians. Then after ordination and establishing a church, these folks should be in continuing education the rest of their lives.

We expect that from our CPA's, doctors, lawyers, etc. We should expect no less from the ordained ministry.

Anonymous said...

9:19 cannot prove that the wine was not alcoholic. The verse says "well drunk" and left no doubt that the good wine was served fist because once the guest were drunk they could not tell the difference between the good and the cheap wine. So, it was the good wine that made them drunk.

Anonymous said...

I am not a believer in any of the New Testement past the first 4 chapters. I do not trust the decisions of Constatine. He created a religion about Jesus rather than following the religion of Jesus. In this new religion he dumped a lot of the Roman paganism. He also blamed the Jews for doing whad God made their destiny, to sacrifice the Lamb of God (at Passover). Don't you just love Easter and Christmas. Seems a lot of people who claim to be Christians are more concerned with making alcohol and sex a sin than they are following the laws laid down to Moses. I bet they have a high rate of prostrate cancer. When I was 17 and having some problem there, my doctor said "use it or lose it". Sorta made me make a decision of good health or breaking the law.

I hate pork and catfish. I love beer, steak, venison, and young cellulite free women. Didn't Constatine be sure to include something in his bible so the Romans could eat what they wanted. I need to pick up a six pack to take to the cook out.