The Campaign For DA

6.29.2015

Random Monday Morning Thoughts





  • What a week: Gay marriage is legal. Obamacare lives. The confederate flag comes down. I wonder what Sarah Palin thinks about her rant from five years ago:  "How's that hopey, changey thing working out for ya?' 
  • I've dogged Tarrant County DA Sharen Wilson to no end, but I'll give her huge credit for not interfering with the county clerk immediately issuing marriage licenses to gay couples on Friday. In fact, she instructed the clerk to issue the licenses to all people who "qualified" shortly after the decision. 
  • With that decision by the Supreme Court, the U.S. leads the way on gay marriage. That's true until you realize we are the 23rd county to do so and even that freedom loving Mexico beat us to it by one week. 
  • What are the chances of some people flying their U.S. flag upside down on the Fourth of July in protest? I'd put the odds at strong to quite strong. 
  • Ted Cruz has not taken this well. On Friday he said it was “some of the darkest 24 hours in our nation’s history.” (Think about that for a second. 9/11. Pearl Harbor. Gay marriage?) But he went further: “I am proposing an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would subject each and every justice of the United States Supreme Court to periodic judicial retention elections,"
  • Do they still have debutante balls? (I actually dated a girl once who was "honored" at one when she was a teenager. I'm as confused by that concept now as I was then.)
  • I saw that Dez Bryant played in a celebrity softball/baseball game and did a backflip in the outfield. Dude! Think about that ACL and Achilles tendon! Since Bryant hasn't signed off on the Cowboys' franchise tag yet, the team could have withdrawn it if he had ended up in an ambulance. Once he agrees, it's guaranteed. The guy is a great player but a dumb one.  
  • For some reason I wondered this weekend what ever happened to Patty Duke. That's a truly random thought. Turns out she's alive and well and actually appeared on an episode of Glee a couple of years ago.
  • Joel Osteen was heckled during a sermon this weekend by members of  The Church of Wells. That name rang a bell with me. Quick research revealed this bullet point of mine from March of last year: "Fascinating story in last month's Texas Monthly. Basically a couple of ex-Baylor students take the Bible very literally and form what may or may not be a cult in Wells, Texas. In fact, that's the subtitle: 'When is a church a cult?' It's a fine line.'"
  • I'm now in the painting phase of the Backstop Project. Full testing has not yet occurred since the Pitcher In The House was in a softball tournament. 
  • Bullet point for an audience of one who shares my enjoyment of Supreme Court oral arguments: Listen or read this one regarding "prolonged detention" during a traffic stop and the use of a drug dog during a traffic stop. The lawyer for the defendant is beyond inept. Scalia went after him but then simply gave up because it was too easy.  But the lawyer did win the case because, as it almost always true, the facts ruled.






72 comments:

Anonymous said...

Awesome RTG. But I don't like seeing the dude's hairy legs. It might be because I'm envious.

Anonymous said...

Dat RTG!

Anonymous said...

With all the gay sweeping this site and the nation, at least the host didn't run a pic of a Chippendale's dancer as today's RT.

Anonymous said...

I favor a Constitutional amendment to do away with the Supreme Court. Put deciding our value system back in the hands of the voters. Lets us decide what the Constitution and its framers meant. They lived in a society that was totally non tolerant of homosexuality. They never had the intent of making it legal. F--- the Supreme Court. If values evolve and change, then decisions to change the law should be in the hands of the citizens, not a dictatorship known as the Supreme Court.

Anonymous said...

Barry, will you be so enthusiastic when the IRS and other branches of the federal government decide to use their power against any churches that refuse to perform a gay wedding?

Think the IRS won't use its power as a weapon against political enemies?

Does the name Lois Lerner ring a bell?

Never mind. You're a liberal. When it happens you will just avoid the topic and never mention it on your website at all. Wordkyle will bring it up, but that's the only time it will be mentioned on your site

Has the Southern Poverty Law Center identified the Southern Baptist Church as a hate group yet?

Somehow I suspect Christians' beliefs about gay marriage are not going to be respected by the "tolerant" left.

Anonymous said...

You dated a debutante with balls? The SCOTUS now excuses your confusion...

wordkyle said...

As you guys bask in, and boast of, your "victories" at the Supreme Court, you forget the millions and millions of people who feel insulted by them. Some feel slighted because of their religious beliefs, while others feel slighted because they feel SCOTUS implemented or promoted bad law. Add in the insults thrown at those who are proud of Southern culture -- not racism or slavery -- and your gloating likely turns up the heat on the cultural pressure cooker. Of course, you disagree with these millions of Americans so they don't matter. But they exist, and their feelings are as valid as those who "won."

Anonymous said...

Good Morning,

Please tell me you heard about CNN mistaking a flag mocking ISIS in London for the actual ISIS flag? It was sex toys and not arabic! The Last Week Tonight guy did a spot about it....it's at the one minute mark.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=cnn+isis+flag+at+gay+pride+parade&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

Anonymous said...

I agree: what a good week for America and Americans.

Now if our politicians could catch up with reality!

For my fellow Christians who think their "faith" allows them to discriminate, I urge them to refer back to what Jesus said was the second greatest commandment, "love thy neighbor" and follow that up by rereading the parable of the good Samaritan. He made it pretty clear the priest and the Levite were using thier religion to avoid being a good neighbor.

My Bible is pretty clear, we are to do the lovin and leave the judging/punishing to God.

Anonymous said...

Now the liberal weenies are out to ban the American flag. Hurry up and fly it upside down while you still have one.

Anonymous said...

I sin everyday.

I'm a single man, and, although I've never been promiscuous, I've slept with a handful of women I wasn't married to, even though I knew it was a sin. I've always gone to God and acknowledged my sin and prayed for more fortitude not to do that anymore, at least not until marriage.

The difference between me and gay people — I acknowledge my sexual sin as sin. Gay people do not, and they want me and the government to validate what they do.

Anonymous said...

Gosh, when I got up this morning the dog had thrown up on the floor. Is that the beginning of the Gay Apocalypse or the bad bologna I fed him last night?

DF Worried Pet Owner & Old Testament Oracle

Anonymous said...

9:11, you and I have different Bibles. Mine says to stone homosexuals.

Katy Anders said...

9:38: Mine says not to allow dwarves, hunchbacks, or men with crushed testicles near altars (Leviticus 21:20).

That's the part I focus on. I spend a lot of my time running around with a sandwich board around my neack, reminding everyone of it.

We as a society are going to be punished if we keep letting those dwarves run roughshod over our altars.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't give a crap if they're letting the gay get married. I just don't like turning on the teevee and having it rammed down my throat. (No pun intended)

Anonymous said...

I know from the beginning the Creator of our universe had a perfect plan for marriage and the family when He took from Adam a rib and made a woman to be his help mate. He created a natural order and according to apostle Paul it is inscribed on the human heart. Jesus told a main to leave his father and mother to become one with his wife. Regardless of how gay activist were able to change our culture to make same sex marriage legal in just a decade, the basic human right of freedom of conscience allows Christians to publicly express and act according to our faith. Man is not free unless his conscience is free. Moving forward the debate will be less about marriage and more about freedom of conscience. Government will not dictate to many Christians what they publicly express or act. Even if threatened by the IRS.


Anonymous said...

I know from the beginning the Creator of our universe had a perfect plan for marriage and the family when He took from Adam a rib and made a woman to be his help mate. He created a natural order and according to apostle Paul it is inscribed on the human heart. Jesus told a main to leave his father and mother to become one with his wife. Regardless of how gay activist were able to change our culture to make same sex marriage legal in just a decade, the basic human right of freedom of conscience allows Christians to publicly express and act according to our faith. Man is not free unless his conscience is free. Moving forward the debate will be less about marriage and more about freedom of conscience. Government will not dictate to many Christians what they publicly express or act. Even if threatened by the IRS.


Anonymous said...

9:38
You'll have to go to Colorado to do that.

DF Cheech and Chong

Anonymous said...

Two supreme Court decisions on abortion and same sex marriage harms children. Roe VA wade allows a mother to kill her baby, same set marriage denies a child two natural parents. I don't think our founding fathers framed our Constitution to harm children.

Anonymous said...

Dingle-Barry, what will you say or do when AME churches refuse to allow homosexual weddings? Will your pinhead asplode? heh

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 9:01...

Do you REALLY want the same people who elected Obama TWO TIMES to be the ultimate arbiters to what is fair and just? According to recent polls, 60% of American approve of same sex marriage. Prior to the SCOTUS determining all consenting adults have the right to marry, without regard to gender, any other consenting adult of their choosing, 70% of the US population lived in states allowing for same sex marriage.


To Anonymous 9:33 (commendable repentant sinner)...

Good for you that you seek comfort and guidance according to the religion of your choosing. You do realize, the dogma of the Christian faith is for CHRISTIANS. Not everyone in the US adheres to the same dogma as you.

As stated in the first portion of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the US cannot enact laws based on the dogma of any one religion. Face it, the majority of us would be double pissed if all restaurants were required to be closed during daylight due to Ramadan. The US isn't a majority rule nation.

Anonymous said...

People are complaining on The Messenger fb page that Wise County is refusing to issue same sex marriage licenses...claim they are waiting on new forms to do so. Still the people are threatening law suit.

Anonymous said...

I got my Confederate battle flag in the mail today. Awesomeness!!!! Long live the South!

Anonymous said...

Thank you Wordkyle...so well said. Sadly this forum doesn't respect anything.

Everything is more important than the gay marriage issue. The race discussion in this country is so distorted and full of folks who are opportunists just taking advantage and fueling the fire. Obamacare will be a failure...mark it down.

Many of the folks on this blog represent the lowest common denominator of thought, intelligence and responsibility which is a snapshot of America today.

Keep laughing Barry.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that we forced to accept marriage within people who enjoy UN-natural sexual relations with the same sex because now we have the green light to put them in the same category as pedophiles and people who have sex with animals, etc.

Love is love folks.

Anonymous said...

Poor wordkyle. Now thay the SCOTUS has approved same seax marriage he is required by law to go out and marry another bigoted pious man. That's just wrong. Nobody should force him to do that.

Anonymous said...

Katy, I applaud you for taking a firm stance on the dwarf-alter issue. Because if a dwarf that you have never met, in a place that you have never visited, approached an alter that you have never seen, in a church where you don’t practice, then that would almost certainly impose on your religious freedom and catastrophically destroy all your personal relationships.

Nuts

Anonymous said...

11 AM

Did you read what you wrote? First off can you even read? You are truly an idiot.

Anonymous said...

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.

Ronald Reagan

Anonymous said...

MzChief, your comment doesn't seem relevant to what 9:33 posted.
I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

This site is nothing more than another media outlet for the far left socialists.

Think about it. This Barry guy is doing his part to add to the noise of support for the gays and leftists.

The media is the momentum for the socialists in this country.

Both are to blame for the new country they are changing it to.

Anonymous said...

Barry will you file suit on Wise County for not issuing marriage licenses? Or represent someone in a law suit? Yes or No ?

Mr. Mike Honcho said...

Day 3 and Mrs. Honcho and I are still just as married as before.

DF "still filed under IDGAF" guy.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough Mzchief.

But DON'T call me a bigot or a Nazi just because I go by what my religion tells me.

9:33

Anonymous said...

Speaking of the Wise County Messenger, will they publish notices of same sex weddings?

I know for a fact that Roy Eaton is a very liberal man, especially for Wise County.

What wins out with the WCM?

Liberal ideology or the fear that disgusted conservatives might drop their subscriptions or their advertising?

Anonymous said...

RTG is a smoking 10 so I don't want to hear or see anymore queer stuff. Unless it two just like the RTG going at it then it's OK

Anonymous said...

11:34

For the uniformed:

A Wise County native, Barry Green is a former elected Wise County District Attorney (1993-2000) who has now practiced exclusively criminal defense for over the last ten years. He is the only defense lawyer in Wise County who is Board Certified in Criminal Law by the Texas Board of Legal Specialization.

Anonymous said...

My business just doubled. Hurrah!

DF Wedding Planner

Anonymous said...

9:38

Book, chapter and verse please.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 9:33/11:53...

I don't think you or anyone else, who lives THEIR life, according to THEIR convictions, so long as they don't attempt to FORCE others to abide by the same convictions, should be treated like a bigot. As for anyone branding someone other than a Nazi, a Nazi, that's just an indication of ignorance.

People who follow the doctrine of a religion, in the hope that it enables THEM to foster a better relationship with THEIR deity and live a better life, should be allowed to do so. However, no one has the right to foist THEIR religious beliefs on to other people. I cite ISIS as a perfect example to the extreme.

The moment someone throws down, "My religion/God says blah blah blah blah." as a reason their opinion, concerning civil/legislative matters, is the right opinion, is the moment they've lost the argument and proved they don't really understand the purpose of religion or understand the first portion of the First Amendment of The Constitution of The United States.

Simple solution. If Christians don't want same sex marriage, they shouldn't have one. If Christians don't want to issue licenses for same sex marriage, they shouldn't be in a job that requires they do so. Churches and clergy, who believe it violates their covenant with their deity, should not be required to perform same sex marriages. There is a HUGE difference between what the government must do to accommodate ALL citizens and what a church must do to accommodate their flock. States perform marriages, Churches perform weddings. There's a VAST difference.

Personally, I believe ANY business owner should be able to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY reason. However, that's not the law. If you're in business, the law states you can't refuse service based on things such as colour and gender. If a person's religious beliefs would be in conflict with that law, then they shouldn't be a business owner who is required by law to serve all customers.

Anonymous said...

Where else can you go to see a lesbian make a Biblical reference to crushed testicles?

You can't make this stuff up! Comedy gold!

Anonymous said...

Sorry, folks but everybody has to get Gay Married now. It's the law! Reminds me of an oldie but goodie from Ol' Dubya... They hate us for our freedom.

Anonymous said...

12:51 - Why do you think they hate us?

mzchief said...

correction...."States grant marriage licenses. Churches perform weddings."

HarveyLee said...

C'mon Katy, do you really not understand the reasons behind the scripture you referred to?

Anonymous said...

1:05 You're kidding, right? Have you looked at the reaction on here? Just look at the outpouring of love from "conservatives" like wordkyle, Ken Paxton, Ted Cruz, et al because two people that love each other (and just happen to be the same sex) can be legally married now.

Anonymous said...

SCROTUS

that should be their new acronym

Anonymous said...

Mzchief: How many of those states allowing gay marriage were doing it by the popular vote of the people and how many were doing it by a federal judge mandate? Huge difference!

wordkyle said...

145 - Since you saw fit to mention my name in your comment, perhaps you'd give an example of what I've written that compelled you to do so. Or is it, as I suspect, that you consider me to be on the "other side," and think it's okay to attribute to me whatever words or actions you want to make up?

wordkyle said...

mzchief 1242 - You know the last thing I (or anyone with brains) would want to do is pick a fight with you. But your last sentence makes me think that you're okay with behavior toward Christians that you would never tolerate from Christians.

Anonymous said...

10:05 Wins the interwebs today.

Katy Anders said...

1:35: Obviously, it's part of Judaism's well-documented War on Dwarves, and has nothing to do with their purity and Temple laws.

Anonymous said...

Guys please...Gays can now marry, and have all of the (dis)pleasure as everyone else.

So can we please move on to the next group(s) of abnormal folks; polygamists, pedophiles, necrophiles, animalphiles, treeophiles, insectophiles, etc, etc.

We need to get all of this pushed through SCOTUS, so folks can put their business plans together. Who will and will not make the cakes, wedding plan, photograph, etc.. Billions of dollars involved! No sense opening up a business, if you are morally unwilling to serve some of the patrons, can get sued, and lose all of your worth.

So let's get with this thing. Somebody file the lawsuits. Time and eternity are a wasting.

Anonymous said...

@1233
My business is about to double.
Divorce attorney

Anonymous said...

Mzchief, I'm out of line to foist my religion upon other people, but Obama and other liberals can lecture me everyday about how I shouldn't take credit for something I built or that I don't pay enough money in taxes or that I'm selfish?

Sorry, I'm seeing a double standard here.

And I'd be remiss to let the world know that where there is no Jesus there is no peace.

It's no coincidence that the country starting going to rot the minute we stopped paying reverence to God.

9:33

Turmoil in a Teapot said...

Am I being censured on this blog? Why?

Anonymous said...

9:11 How is being a Christian and categorizing homosexuality as a sin along with adultery, fornication, murder, lying, etc.---discriminating? Identifying sin as sin is not judging!

Anonymous said...

Barry -- Funny how the only good thing you ever said about the Tarrant DA is because of the gay marriage issue. Go figure.

mzchief said...

To wordkyle 2:44...

I honestly don't know what you mean but I will attempt to clarify my comment. ALL people, irrespective of their religious belief, should be required to adhere to the laws, regardless how inane. If, due to their religious convictions, religious people (gay hating Christians, women hating Muslims, everyone who's not them hating Hasidic Jews) find it impossible, during the course of conducting their business with the public, to abide by the laws of the land, they need to NOT be involved in business that forbids them from denying service to any segment of society.

Like I said, PERSONALLY, I think any business should be able to deny service to ANYONE for ANY reason. Yep, even if the owner is a racist they should get to deny service to whatever race they hate.

Unlike a lot of people, I don't feel like I have the right to control the personal behaviour of other people. It's not my place to REQUIRE people to conduct their personal life in a manner I find acceptable. HOWEVER, I have the RIGHT to not have people impose their standard of living on ME. Homosexuals engaging in SSM does NOT impose on my right to have an opposite/mixed sex marriage. (I'm not sure if the correct term is opposite sex or mixed sex)

Like I've said, if people don't like same sex marriage (SSM), then they really shouldn't have one. Anti-SSM proponents don't have the right to keep people, who want a SSM, from having one. It's no difference than if someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage not having the right to deny an interracial marriage to a couple who does want one.

disclaimer: I realize, not all Christians hate gays, just like not all Muslims hate women just as I'm certain not all Hasidic Jews hate everyone who's not them. I was merely referencing those who do hate.



To Anonymous 9:33/3:53...

You are absolutely out of line to believe you have the right to demand, by law, other people live THEIR life according to YOUR religious convictions. You, however, have the right to stand and shout at anyone about how evil they are and how much they are defying the will of God. The classless thug sitting in the big chair in the White House and his idiot followers have the right to voice their opinions and proclaim the rich don't pay their fair share. Unfortunately, Obama and his pack of liberal pariahs have the ability to make, successful hard-working Americans pay more while the leaches just keep sucking the US dry.

If I sound bitter about the "rich don't pay their fair share" BULLSpiT it's because I am. Two weeks ago I wrote a check for more than the average family earns in a year to pay my spouses and my QUARTERLY taxes.

wordkyle said...

mzchief - It's a fine distinction you make between Christians not imposing their beliefs on others, and others being legally able to impose their beliefs on Christians. Your admonishment that Christians who disapprove of the gay lifestyle should stay out of business because it's the law is exactly that scenario.

DF J. Paul Getty said...

To 5:26

BOO HOO HOO! You pay it because you make it. Good for you, so you make soooo much that you have have to pay more in taxes than others. It's asshole attitude like yours that's killing the working middle class. You would sock it to the poor working stiffs with sales taxes and minimum tax rates regardless of what their income is. So don't get on here and cry my handful because of what you have have to pay In taxes. YOU ONLY PAY THE MOST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MOST, JERK!!!!

Anonymous said...

5:26

You sound like one of those GRIPE and BITCH Damn Yankees that have taken over this state (ie Dan Patrick). If you're not one of them you've been around them so long you started behaving like them. If you think things are so bad, why don't you go live in Canada or Mexico.

Anonymous said...

mz,

If you wrote a check that big and still have enough free time to bloviate about it on a stupid blog, maybe you could loan me about 50K so I could get out of this cycle of dependency and poverty?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

I think a Christian business owner should have the right to deny goods or service when it conflicts with their religious beliefs. For example if a photographer is ask to take photos of three people kissing, I think freedom of conscience gives the right to refuse. Same thing applies to baking a same set wedding cake.

mzchief said...

To wordkyle...
My belief is that ALL people, regardless of any religious affiliation, should be required to equally abide by the laws of The United States. According to the First Amendment of The United States Constitution religious doctrine has no place in the crafting or enactment of any law.

People who wish to engage in a SSM are not keeping religious people from having the belief it is wrong for there to be SSM. The only thing the law allowing SSM does, to people who site religious doctrine as a reason to be against SSM, is that it keeps the religious folk from forcing their anti-gay religious doctrine onto other people.

As for businesses of religious folk. According to the law, a Muslim business owner can NOT refuse service to a woman who is unaccompanied or without "proper" covering. As for the Christian bakers who've refused to bake cakes for SSM; do they also refuse to bake cakes for prostitutes, masturbaters, cheaters, liars, divorcees, atheist, Jews, Muslims or does their Christianness only extend to refusing service to gays?

Keep in mind, I still PERSONALLY believe that a business should be able to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY reason. Unfortunately, I don't write the laws.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 9:53, 10:06, 10:08...

What makes you think you're entitled to the fruits of another person's labour, merely because they've worked harder than you and have been willing to take greater risks than you, to make their living? When was the last time you worked 7 days a week, 10-12hrs a day, away from your family for up to 6 months, in a place requiring military security and NOT been in the military? When was the last time you were responsible for making a monthly payroll in excess of $500.000 paid to US citizens who reside in the US? Oh and on an aside, EVERY cent of that payroll comes from outside the US. If you don't understand the significance of bringing money in from outside the US then there's no wonder you don't understand why you're on a blog gritching about being broke.

Just a few facts, I've lived in Wise County for 30yrs. My spouse's family still owns land, in the DEEP south, they've owned since PRE-civil war.

Rather than hate the rich, work to be rich. (fyi paying paying 300K or even 500K a year in taxes doesn't mean you're rich it just means you make enough to be taxed approx 50% of your income. It's the REALLY rich who can set up shelters to protect their assets/income, of which I hope to become.)

Just a bit of advice, I'm sure you'll ignore, stop sucking at life and hating people who don't.

wordkyle said...

mzchief - Some of my contentions are not disagreements with you, but refinements (or requests for refinement) of the ideas that you put forth. Please take my comments in the spirit I'm offering them.

Regarding the Christian bakers -- The logical assumption is that if a prostitute went in requesting a prostitution cake that the bakers would refuse. Likewise the masturbation cake. Their position seems consistent. They likely have unknowingly sold baked goods to gay people hundreds, if not thousands of times. It's cliche, but they can love the sinner and hate the sin. Their religious beliefs prevent them from celebrating what is to them a sin. (Again, all of this without knowing them personally. I'm merely stating their possible position.)

You cite the First Amendment correctly, but you leave out the additional words "impeding the free exercise of religion." That "free exercise" must include the ability to not participate in aiding another person to sin. What the courts have tried to do is to decide for Christians what is and is not a sin. Obama himself has put that forth as a goal for Liberals. Despite the SCOTUS "trying to have it both ways" opinion, it's inevitable that this new constitutional right established by SCOTUS will clash with the First Amendment in court.

Anonymous said...

Mz,

You are missing the point entirely. It is NOT the people that are denied service because of the people they are.

It is the event that is being denied service, because of the type of event it is.

Do you expect almost any baker to bake a cake consisting of two entwined penises? It seems to me that it must be legal for any business to refuse service that disturbs their sensibilities.

The only other answer cannot just be to go out of business. That seems rather dictatorial. Either assimilate to the "whatever deviant lifestyle is popular now", or lose your career. That seems more tyrannical than Stalin or Hitler.

Anonymous said...

9:02 best post on cake baking ever written! Funny but true.

mzchief said...

To wordkyle/8:00...

The bakers would be baking WEDDING cakes for SSMs not "homosexual cakes." Just like they bake a WEDDING cake for a prostitute or masturbater, not a prostitution cake or masturbation cake. When was the last time you heard of a baker denying to bake a cake for a heterosexual divorcee's second, third, fourth wedding?

Granting the right of SSM to homosexuals isn't "impeding on the free exercise of religion" it merely prevents religious folk from forcing their religious beliefs onto others. What may be a sin for Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus isn't a sin for non-religious people. Religious people fail to understand, their religion's dogma apply to the followers of that religion. I have NO problem with people living their religion but they do not have the right to force it on others. If Christians get to force their religious beliefs onto others, Muslims and Hindus would have the same right. Allowing Christians to be exempt from US law, merely because they are Christian, opens the door for Muslims to be exempt from US law they find in conflict with Islam which then grants Sharia Law a right to be the law that governs Muslims in the US.

sorry for the delay, I actually had to attend to work, this morning.

mzchief said...

To Anonymous 9:02...
It's not a penis cake, it's a WEDDING cake. Christian bakers refusing to bake a WEDDING cake for a SSM is tantamount to a Christian baker refusing to bake a WEDDING cake for an interracial marriage because they believe their religion tells them the races shouldn't mix. Just because you don't like what people do with their private bits in their personal lives doesn't give you the right to dictate who can marry whom.

If a business owner is unable to abide by the LAW they most certainly should go out of business. Muslim bakers bake WEDDING cakes for Jews and apostates and we all know how Islam feels about Jews and apostates.

wordkyle said...

mzchief - I have to disagree with you on a couple of things. The gay couple would make it known that theirs is a wedding between two people of the same gender, wouldn't they? If nothing else, just for the wedding topper? If they, or the prostitute, or the masturbater, or the divorced and remarrying person didn't bring it up, then we can assume the bakers wouldn't know and wouldn't care, because they wouldn't be actively helping another person commit what the bakers believed to be a sin. (I will agree that if the baker preemptively asked "Is this for a gay wedding?" then they're just looking for trouble.) Until a gay person makes it known, then no one knows they're gay.

I agree that my own principles taken to their extremes create a whole different can of worms to open. (Honor killings are an example.) My point is that if Christians (or Muslims, or Hindus, or Buddhists) are forced, especially by law, to do something that violates their religious beliefs, then the First Amendment is meaningless. Marrying couples of any persuasion have a choice as to which baker, reception hall, etc. that they want to use. If they choose to walk into a bakery that doesn't support their lifestyle, who is imposing anything on them?

P.S. Your comment to 902 compelled me to google whether Muslim bakeries refuse anyone service. Some interesting hits.