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Seventeen TCU students, including four football players, have been arrested after a six-month investigation by Fort Worth and TCU police that included students selling drugs to undercover officers, police and TCU officials said Wednesday.
"All of those arrested are drug dealers," TCU Police Chief Steven McGee said at a morning news conference. More.
Changes occur when those with influence start having their own ox gored. And when that ox is their kid who would have otherwise had a bright and wonderful future but for an undercover and expensive investigation by the government, that could be the beginning to the end of the goring.
The way we deal with drugs is stupid. These kids will have their mugshot on TV by tonight, they'll be kicked out of school, the criminal justice system will suck some money out of them and their parents, and they'll spend the rest of their life trying to explain to a potential employer that they aren't Pablo Escobar.
The comments that are forthcoming are predictable. But, mark my word, just like we look back on black and white water fountains, one of these days we will hold our head in shame on how we treated people in the War on Drugs.
Edit: Here's the arrest warrant affidavit for Tanner Brock. He allegedly sold 1/2 of an ounce of marijuana to an undercover cop on one occasion. Weed???!!!!! He's got sucked into this because of weed???!!!! Oh, the humanity!
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4 FOOTBALL PLAYERS -- Hummmm --
Just a coincidence that this comes out AFTER football season.
And they won't sell drugs again.
What's your solution?
I am a very close relative to one of the accused. So, I guess you could say my "ox has been gored".
...and he will have to reap what he sows.
He made the decision to sell it....now he'll pay for it.
I view it was his ox that needed goring.
All I can do is help them into college, but they make their own decisions.
Wise County would love to have this Case!! Just because they are TCU Students or Football Players, all dealers should be treated the same. Don't care who they are!!!
Do you have a better solution to this problem? Or should we just give them another chance because they are TCU students?
Yep.....agreed... the war on drugs is ridiculous
lets go arrest all those who are having anal sex in their house while we are at it
or those who sell a sex toy at a store
they must be bad people
If it is wrong, what is your proposed solution? My solution is the same I would do for those Lake Highland pricks that put pot in the brownies given to teachers and staff: fullest extent allowed by law. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
It is out of this world incredible that LL would compare racial segregation with drug enforcement.
These "kids" were profiteering off of other people's misery.
What do they dispense in law school?
Oh dear, am I ready the last post correctly? You are blaming the drug dealer and not the drug user?
LOL Are you the one that called into a radio show day before yesterday and said that we should blame the disease called alcoholism but not the alcoholic himself for his problem?
lol
Here's my "predictable" comment:
I don't get your point, Green. Are we supposed to feel sorry for those arrested?
It's pretty simple: Certain drugs are illegal. If you are caught using or dealing those drugs, there are unpleasant consequences.
If I chose to use/deal illegal drugs, it would be after considering the potential consequences. If I chose to exceed the speed limit, it would be after considering the potential consequences. If I chose to touch a hot stove, it would be after considering the potential consequences.
The point is we all have the power to choose. I feel no sympathy for someone who is facing the consequences of their choice.
Legalize drugs.
These adults knew the consequences and they were caught. That is simple.
However, I really hate throwing my money away at court cases dealing in drugs. It is costing me, the tax payer, too much.
I am glad they won't do this again now that they have been caught. Oh wait, what were our recidivism rates again for 2011?
http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/PubSafety_CrimJustice/3_Reports/
Legalize drugs
And wise county cops dont use drugs?
This can go round and round...
alcohol, prescription drugs and food are addictive and bad enough to kill you.... when not in moderation.
Drugs aren't necessarily bad... unless you abuse it.
Legalize this stuff and lets get on with it.
I guess TCU should have gone to the SEC.
Rage
TCU to announce new ZERO TOLERANCE signs to combat football player drug abuse.
Wonder is any of them will seek counsel at 1 Stop? That is where privileged law breakers hang out.
Keep reading, Barry. At least two sales, the establishment of an ongoing dealer relationship, an offer to broker xanax -- he's getting no sympathy from me.
I'm a libertarian by nature, and think our drug laws are ridiculous. I'd just say that if you used these certain drugs, you got no government benefits ever. But since we've got the laws, how stupid do you have to be to be a dealer? I don't generally agree with bringing down the hammer on recreational users, but once you've made it a money-making enterprise, you've bought into the price of being caught.
we need to criminalize sugar as well!
I have to agree with Barry to a point...and ONLY to a point. As a society, we waste a ton of dough rounding up folks who, as their crime, elect to get f'd up by smoking weed instead of drinking Jim Beam. That's the law and the law is stupid. By targeting a bunch of reasonably upward mobil kids @ a predominantly white, private, school, someone somewhere has made a decision that may ultimately result in some of the stupid laws being changed. HOWEVER, to compare a white athlete's decision to sell drugs, even one time, to an individual's skin color (something he or she has no decision-making control over) is every bit as dumbfounding as the drug laws in question here. The only difference is that one is a statement that doesn't cost anyone any money at all and the other is a societal election that costs the taxpayers of the Great State of Texas hundreds of millions of dollars annually at a place in time when school districts are gutting education because the state legislature is too busy spending money funding the war on drugs.
First of all.. Those that think drugs should be leagalized... Must not have children (or at least I hope you dont, so they arent being infulenced by your thoughts and actions) and dont care crap about anyone EXCEPT of course yourselves!
Secondly, It shouldnt matter if they are a HUGE roll in the drug world or not... if your caught then pay the consequences! YES there are "bigger fish to fry" in the drug world, but that shouldnt excuse the "smaller fish" from being punished!
Its illegal, why doesnt a lawyer(BG) understand this?? Its no different than breaking the law when speedinig. You know you are breaking the law, and you take responsibility for it when caught. BG, you should understand "legal & illegal" right??
I say legalize and tax it. Lets add prostitution as well. Get them registered, tested, and taxed like a damn rental car at the airport. $100 for the 1/2 hour, but then you got the state sales tax, tourism tax, city tax, county tax, pimp tax, etc.
Throw this in with the weed taxes, and we would have tons of money in the coffers, and the detectives could find who shot JR, and not have to pretend to be working when going under cover to a massage parlor to get a happy ending.
BUT.... selling weed is currently illegal and until such time when it becomes legal, that is where law enforcement will spend their time.
He allegedly sold 1/2 of an ounce of marijuana to an undercover cop on one occasion. Weed???!!!!! He's got sucked into this because of weed???!!!! Oh, the humanity!
So, using your logic, if I have a short johnson and commit rape, should it not counted as a crime?
You are one piece of work, Green.
Yes, the world would be such a better place if illegal drugs were legal. Then the State could focus its valuable resources on something like figuring out how to stop the sexual abuse of children before it occurs. "Oh, if only we had that war on drugs money to spend."
Pinch me, BG, I'm dreaming.
There was a time when beer and alcohol was illegal. We spent a ton of money and effort on keeping people from drinking. Now, I think most of us are relieved that alcohol is now legal. I bet we feel the same when pot is legalized.
Stop the madness! Legalize pot!
Have any of you ever taken a pain pill from your spouse, or an allergy pill from someone else? Then you have taken illegle drugs. What is the difference?
Free the weed!
Pay a class "C" fine. Dismiss the more serious charges. Let us hope that these kids hire some good lawyers to negotiate out of this media mess.
Yep, comparing drug dealing to racism is a pretty asinine statement. Why not just make a comparison to Prohibition? Lots of similarities. And yes, most of the comments are predictable: "Drugs are illegal, they dealt drugs, put them away." But the implication is:
Drugs shouldn't be illegal in the first place.
- or -
Stop jailing drug users and treat them instead so that they won't use drugs anymore
But let's get to the real issue here. The other day you said: "I've seen very, very few DWI cases based upon illegal drugs..."
Drinking is legal, but lots of folks drive while intoxicated, which is illegal. In addition to defending the God-given Constitutional rights of treehouses, isn't that your bread and butter? If pot were made legal, lots of folks would drive while under the influence, which would presumably be equally illegal. Now we're talking more butter, and lots more bread!
I don't think there is a parent alive who in all good conscience would advise a child leaving for college to drink, do drugs, have sex and whatever else "feels good".
But when that kid walks out the door, we have NO guarantees that they won't do everything mentioned above. I think most WILL do one or two. It's called reality and parents who think their kids won't are dreaming.
The answer is:
I don't have a clue and don't think anybody else does.
My kids are grown. Now I worry about the grown grandchildren!
There just is no end to this madness. We just raise them the best way we can, and if they get pulled under by drugs - we just keep on loving them.
Don't hit me bloggers. I'm old!
We probably would be amazed and the number of beautiful people amongst us who are drug dealers.
Legalize/tax/control it!!!
By the way a speeding ticket and a drug conviction don't have the same consequences. Young and dumb deserve a punishment that is behanior altering but not direction altering.
Government controling the behavior of its people, makes you wonder if any sodomy laws were violated as well.
Jack Daniels
I believe that would be a mis-da-menor. The more he miss, da meaner he get
What an elitist headline.....targeting the wrong people?
Will you make money either way?
Hundreds of thousands of dollars on the investigation so far (if it was a nickel).
I wonder how much this asenine witch hunt will cost over the lives of those kids from now until their deaths- millions?
Maybe you can afford that, I can't. If you're one of the hard-nosers, wake up, be a little more rational and reasonable.
If pot were legal....
There would be no need for pot cartels in Mexico or any other country.
The US would become an exporter of the product instead of an importer
Road rage would drop significantly
Alcohol sales would drop
The government would have increased tax revenue
Law enforcement could focus on other crimes
The stock of Imperial Tobacco of Canada would sky rocket(Zig-Zag papers)
The court system would not be near as crowded
Jails would not be near as crowded
The stock of Frito-Lay would sky rocket
Fast food restaurants would be open 24 hours
Closet smokers could come out
15 states(it may be 18) have legalized medical marijuana. That is just their state governments way of getting around the federal law.
Until the demand goes away, there will be a market, and the demand will never go away.
The US government has been trying to legislate the morality of John Q. Public since the country was founded. Here's a shocker for you...it hasn't worked.
Other nations, including world powers, do not legislate morality, they legislate crimes against property and persons. If you want to spend your life savings on a bail of pot and smoke it, that's your choice. If you want to spend your life savings on Powerball tickets, that is your choice.(Oh wait, the government WANTS you to buy Powerball tickets, nevermind)
Indians have been eating peyote for centuries. Other native tribes have been eating coca leaves for centuries. Opium dens have existed for centuries.
I say legalize it, let Darwinism sort it all out.
I also agree with 12:46, let's legalize and tax prostitution, which is legal is such backwards countries as Australia, almost all of western Europe and all but 1 country in South America. Even our bros in Canada have seen the light on that one.....eh.
2:34 FTW!
"We must not blindly add to the body count and the terrible cost of the War on Drugs, only to learn from another Robert McNamara 30 years from now that what we've been doing is, 'wrong, terribly wrong.'" --Walter Cronkite - 1995.
Until recently sodomy was illegal in Texas. The law is actually still on the books, but they don't enforce it. They decriminalized it. Sodomy includes Oral Sex between a married man and woman. Look at what has happened to us since this moral travesty. Why there's oral sex everywhere you turn. You can't drive thru McDonald's or walk on the square in Decatur without getting oral sex.
It would be exactly the same if you decriminalized pot. Think of the children!!
Was a drug enforcer for almost 40 years. We never won a battle much less a war. How about we let people in a "free" country be FREE? Natural selection will sort it out. We won't. Oh, when I started my law enforcement career, one could get life in prison for possession of weed in "any amount". It's not like we aint been tough on drug offenders. How has that worked at reducing the demand?
People, people, people --
Triple Fake hit the nail on the head. Barry wants drugs legalized so when a person takes a legal drug, gets a DUI they can call him, he can charge upwards of $5000 and we will all live in Utopia. What a deal. Not enough ambulances for you to chase Barry?
Menopause, where is thy cruel sting after a blunt encounter of the smokey kind, wink, wink, nod, nod
amend 2:34
You some kind of little Weed smoker there Green Boy?
I bet you got one of them Chia Obama Head things with Weed instead of parsley or somethin growin out of it.
THE QUESTION ISNT WEATHER OR NOT THE STUDENTS SHOULD BE ARRESTED BUT AS WAS STATED EARLIER WEATHER OR NOT A SINGLE BAD JUDGEMENT AT 20YRS.OF AGE SHOULD RUIN THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND RENDER YOU UNABLE TO SUPPORT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY FOR A LIFETIME.
Tokin Cokin University welcome to the Big 12!!
Guess these TCU kids will see just how deep daddy's pockets really are!
Here is the solution...
Set up the Constitutional amendment to legalize drugs with the stipulation that it has to pass by popular vote that is subject to the voter's willingness to pay for their belief.
Anyone voting against the legalization of drugs will have to agree to pay the taxes required for enforcement, legal costs, and housing offenders if drugs are to remain illegal.
Anyone voting to legalize drugs will have to agree to pay the taxes of the cost of treatment, wellfare for families of unemployable drug users, other added health costs, payments to victims of drug violence claims, and the cost of the government agency that will oversee quality control and regulation of the introduction of new drugs. Taxation of the drugs themselves will generate possibly enough to cover these costs, but any additional will be absorbed by the group voting for the legalization of drugs.
Anyone who does not pay taxes cannot vote. Anyone who does not vote and is a taxpayer, will have to pay taxes with the group that prevails.
Let the group with the strongest conviction on the issue pay for their decision and not penalize the minority.
Barry, you're an idiot. For all your complaining and bickering, you LOVE the law. You wouldn't have a job without it.
Here it is, as simple as it can get...
If you don't like the laws we have in this state, or country for that matter, pack your bags and move somewhere else.
No one is going to be ashamed of how we treated drug users or dealers in this lifetime. Just because you say we will, doesn't make it true.
You are good comic relief. Because, in fact, you are a clown.
2:53
Oral sex everywhere you go? really?
I need to hang with you, dude.
jack danials has a 'short johnson'?? hahahaha lol
Alcohol and tobacco and caffine are all drugs. They all can be demonstrated to be harmful. Leave people alone. If they make bad decisions, don't make it our problem.
This drug is OK because I like it is not equal protection under the law
Don't get me wrong, I think the way we deal with drugs is stupid, but to compare that to "black" and "white" water fountains ludicrous. Fellow humans that walked this earth were enslaved, tortured, beaten and humiliated simply for their skin color. How you can compare their plight to that of those who knowingly committed crimes and were simply harshly punished is beyond me! Slap in the face to people of color! You show a clear short sided view of our history as well as a twisted, hopeful look to the future to think we would view racism and inequality on the same level as our misquided drug war.
I said IF!
I need to start walking the Decatur square more often.
Ha! WWJHS is all that is going through my pea brained head right now. What do ye say, Jarhead? So sorry your trip got spoiled with this bad news. We all do appreciate that, but you are still irritating as hell, only not as much as ATC and his weird jeep-loving thing these days, as compared to others.
And it's DANIELS, not Danials
3:36
Pretty sure 2:53's comment was satirical...
You can't sell weed. Its against the law. What's hard to understand, Attorney?
YES WEED!!! it is against the law!!! I used to smoke weed!! and it is a drug and it is not good for you it does kill brain cells ned I say more!!
To control and tax drugs would still cost more money than it brought in.
What about the unintended consequences for the children of those parents who would rather spend their days and nights getting high than earning a living and providing for their families?I hope one bad decision doesn't ruin any young person's life, but we know unprotected sex and killing someone while driving drunk can. Is this any different?
Not that hard to sell weed without getting busted. If the truth were to be told, weed dealers do not favor legalization of marijuana.
It is possible to be a part of a system of buying and selling weed in which you have no idea who you are getting your weed from - and they have no idea who they are selling to. Same for when you go to sell your weed. Virtually impossible for any law enforcement groups to bust. That is why they go for the low-hanging fruit like naive college athletes. It's not like they are busting the weed-dealing mass out there - they simply can't. Otherwise, weed would not be as available as it is.
Can we just move all the prescripts out with the aspirin and cough medicine. No need for any of it to be illegal, right?
Weed = Welfare
Smoking weed WILL lead to your not giving a rat's a** so you will lose your job and be happy to let the gov't send you a check so you can buy more weed and care even less!
4:27
3:36 here....maybe, just maybe, my comment was satirical also.
I didn't realize you were blog monitor of the day.
"To control and tax drugs would still cost more money than it brought in."
No way, Jose. Think of the jobs this would create and those folks would pay taxes on top of the taxing of the product.
"What about the unintended consequences for the children of those parents who would rather spend their days and nights getting high than earning a living and providing for their families?"
Dude, this is already a reality. Read the paper(except the Mess), watch the news on TV. Abandoned kids everywhere as a result of parents drug abuse.
"I hope one bad decision doesn't ruin any young person's life, but we know unprotected sex and killing someone while driving drunk can."
Having unprotected sex is much more likely to create a life rather than take a life.
6:10
Hey..hey..hey...be careful. I need my NyQuil. You know, the stuff you can buy over the counter at any pharmacy, grocery store, convenience store and truck stop that contains alcohol and other drugs that make you zone out that comes in the pretty bottle and is advertised on TV.
And it's completely legal.
What are you idiots thinking?You legalize drugs and you don't think you airline pilot,bus driver,crane operator and ect won't be screwed up!Bet you money on that.I can just see the stoned ones going thirty five on L B J trying to find a Sonic turn off.If the U S legalized drugs the big boys would still outsource it.Dream on fools.
Wait till Barry comes in some afternoon and finds(older girl) eating everything she don't like out of the icebox.
It is sad to watch the increasing demoralization of society. As each year passes a little more is tolerated.
I have never seen so many bad things going on in the world at once and I’m old.
I just wish people could find happiness without feeling like a mind altering drug is necessary.
God help us. :o(
The real problem is that cops that worked the case are going to get racked throuhg the coals. They did some good work in PD standards. Problem is they are going to get raked over the coals. I retired from police work in 2001. I feel sorry for the cops that worked this case. Money will decide who is guilty period. I am not looking forward to the news coverage it will lean towards who has the most money,
You lame ass bunch of close minded bigots. I'll bet half of you on here smoked pot at some point. I'll bet 75% of you on here have abused prescription meds and I'll bet 100% of you have driven intoxicated! All of this nonsense over POT! Meanwhile there is meth, and crack being cooked and sold! BUT OH BY GAWD! THIS IS THE BIBLE BELT AND WE GOTTA CONDEMN SOME KIDS TO HELL. All for smoking a naturally growing herb. That's right
HERB! Not a drug
The Rooster
Illegal aliens are let go from our jail all the time without placing an immigration hold on them. Is that legal? Sure seems to be in Texas and with our Federal government. We have lost that war already and have been over run and Mexican are bragging how they took back TX.
I'm a cop. I enforce those laws.
I think they're moronic.
I hope that they are changed.
And the best way to get a bad law changed? Is to enforce the hell out of it.
9:53 You probably shouldn't judge the actions of others. To do so is pretty immoral.
It's going to be "SMU in the 70's"
all over again.
Doesn't smoking WEED help our economy because people get hungry and then go and buy cookies and stuff to eat or somethin?
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