So now Rep. Barton (R-Tx) is feeling sorry for BP. Barton considers the $20 billion clean-up fund a "shake down." C'mon, right wing nutz - step up and defend Barton in his defense of BP and ignoring the citizens of the gulf coast whose lives have been so impacted by BP's oil spill. (BTW, BP stock is UP since announcing the cleanup fund).
If there was ever any lingering doubt over whether Smokey Joe Barton is a lapdog for the energy companies, this pretty much puts that to rest. Reminds me of the time he argued that there was no proof that the prevailing winds were blowing pollutants from all the concrete plants in Ellis County into the Metroplex. Joe never met a corporate polluter or an energy lobbyist he didn't like.
Since B Ho is comparing the spill to 9/11, had he been Community Organizer in Chief during 9/11, he probably would have held the airlines responsible and made them pay.
Lurid language, yes. Motivated by self-interest, yes. Accurate, absolutely.1110 - Your "C'mon, right wing nutz" sentence has two parts that are completely unrelated. (Either side of and, if you don't understand.) Plus, BP's stock bump owes as much to its dividend cut as to the shakedown. (By the way, do you also say "I can has cheezburger?")
In this case I believe the President may be trying the immediate response vs the big government hearing crap that lingers and may mean dollars for the greatgrand kids of the folks from the gulf states. Today anyway Joe Barton is an idot! Good move MR. President
I am ashamed of Joe Barton.
11:29 Are you actually saying that the spill is NOT BP's responsibility?And by your logic, Obama would have had the TERRORISTS (you know, the ones RESPONSIBLE for 9/11) pay.
Joe Barton was just following Obama's policy of apologizing to foreigners for the US being the US.
Kudos to Joe Barton for calling this administration's actions for what they are. Just more Chicago politics at work. Obama's 6 month moratorium on offshore drilling could end up being much more devastating long term than this accident. Now, lets hear from you lib weanies that support this ill-advised moratorium and all the jobs it has cost now, during the next several months, and even longer when all the big rigs used for offshore drilling are exported to other foreign countries and may never make their way back to our shores.
Do any of you raving lunatics actually believe that the government is going to be able to accurately and efficiently distribute this money to those damaged? Anyone remember the disaster when the government tried this after Katrina?BP has evaluated and paid over half of the 42,000 claims with roughly 600 employees. They have always said they would pay legitimate claims, and they have. Giving this to our inept and corrupt government is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Joe Barton is an idiot. He has just made the video for his next opponnet.Wordkyle you can focus on minutia and miss the big point better than anyone on here.
I agree with Barton that it WAS a shakedown.O needed this disaster and he is exploiting it.O said we have run out of places to drill! BS. He is such a liar. They wont allow drilling in those places.O needs to go mate with some otters to keep them from going extinct.
11:47 - Exactly!Notice even the Republican Committee members are distancing themselves from Barton's comment.
It is Bush's fault.
The political circus that is underway in DC is nothing short of extortion! The meeting held yesterday was nothing short of "do this or else!" The White House is occupied by a man who believes that the end justifies the means, a complete deviation on the founding principals of this great nation. As for Mr. Barton, he is entitled to his opinion! If he feels that this farce was a pile of political positioning, he has that right! I actually agree with him, but the simple matter is they should be concentrating on stopping the leak and mediate the current situation before they stoke the fires of the witch hunt. BP is not going anywhere, anytime soon! I'm sure the tree hugging libs feel that this is a great reason to go green! They too are entitled to an opinion, but just as they can disagree with the current process, those that disagree with them also have the same right!
To wordkyle...*OTFLOLHysterically* at "I can has cheezburger?" reference. That was AWESOME!*StillLOL*
wordkyle (the language expert?) has trouble with a simple compound sentence? Just what part of: "...step up and defend Barton in his defense of BP and (Barton's) ignoring the citizens of the gulf coast whose lives have been so impacted by BP's oil spill." does he not understand? And attributing BP's stock price rise to its ELIMINATING its quarterly dividend is quite unlikely. In any case, wk avoids dealing with the views of Mr. Barton altogether.
1:46,You are a true dumbass...when the monies set aside for the stock dividends was taken back, the stock price went back up, since the company's value went back up by that amount.Libs never have understood economics, and never will.
1229 - What's the "big point?" That BP is the new werewolf that the administration wants us to hate and fear? Of course Barton hurt himself publicity-wise, but that doesn't make his depiction of Obama's actions any less accurate.The even bigger point is that all Obama has to do from now on is to threaten to do to a company or industry what he did to BP. "Legalities be damned. Pay up, or the full weight of the federal government's machinery will destroy you."Obama has used this tactic before to give Chrysler to the UAW.146 - Your problem was in your thinking, not in your grammar. The sentence had two parts:a) step(ing) up and defend(ing) Barton in his defense of BP;b) ignoring the citizens of the gulf coast One thought does not lead to the other. It's the equivalent of saying "Mustard is yellow and the supermarket's prices are too high." Link your two thoughts with some connective ideas, and you have a line of reasoning. You might still be wrong, but at least your sentences would make sense.Regarding the stock price, your argument is with market experts, not me. (Yahoo News headline: "BP shares jump on dividend suspension")(P.S. I'm not sure you're aware that "simple" and "compound" are different types of sentences. They are.)
Republicans love corporations so very much they even help out foreign companies.If Alqaida becomes Alqaida Inc. the apologies will come spewing from Barton's mouth.
All that is needed here is to elect another oilman as President. Simple.
While they play the blame game and pull my finger in the "whitehouse"here is whats happening 1 mile below our gulf.More oil is gushing into our ocean.As we speak the pressurized oil and sand and other debris are thinning the pipe much like a water jet which can cut multiple inches of steel.When they cant stop the flow with any conventional methods they are going to try a nuke to fuse the sand and rock together.And that causes a rift which opens up the resevoir, the oil starts escaping faster untill the pressure of the sea is greater than the pressure of the reservoir.Then the water will start pouring into the hole and the rest of the lighter oil will float to the surface,like it does now by injecting salt water into wells on land.This is just a theory but it can happen and that should be enough to keep the drilling from happening where the greatest risk of a major disaster like the one happening now.
Oh my goodness. Are we really going to argue about sentence structure and who knows what about it?Things on here can just get ridicuolous.
We could argue spelling, if you prefer
3:53 - That was pretty funny. I did indeed misspell "ridiculous." Karma.
Or we could argue the merits of bra size, like we usually do
As I said earlier, my objection was to the original commenter's thinking, not his grammar. Criticizing the Obama shakedown does not equal "ignoring citizens of the Gulf coast."
Some facts to temper the emotion….The $20 Billion fund is not a cleanup fund - its being set up to compensate individuals and companies for losses resulting from the spill. The BP portion of the cleanup cost is separate.Also the fund with not be administered by any government office. It will be managed and dispersed by the same guy that handled the 9/11 victims fund.
Wow - 4:53, what a great idea - throwing in some facts.Thank you.
We should just get rid of private corporations and put the means of production in the hands of the workers.
Here are SOME facts."No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."It is called the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The fact the US government told BP to pony up the money or we will take it from you makes it a shakedown/extortion.Joe Barton had it right.Who in their right mind trusts the US government to do a better job of distributing 20 billion of BP's money than they did of distributing taxpayer's dollars when the government bailed out GM and Chrysler. Keep in mind, GM/Chrysler bonded creditors were paid little and last, when, prior to the Obama administration, the LAW assures they should be among the first paid but Obama decided it was more important to pay unions, who had no legal claim, and let the creditors scramble for the left-over crumbs. ""If the government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have." Obama is proving this, time after time after time.Before anyone goes bonkers let me add. IF British Petroleum was giving the orders and operating Transocean's semi-submersible drilling rig, Deep Water Horizon that BP had leased from Transocean then no doubt, BP owes HUGE for the clean-up and damages caused by the blow out of their well but according to US Law they are entitled to DUE PROCESS.
"We should just get rid of private corporations and put the means of production in the hands of the workers."Why? Since every time that has been tried throughout history, it has failed miserably.Please educate yourself.
Dude!Thanks for the campaign donation!I am sorry.... Who do I really represent?This oil in the gulf thing is overrated!
831 - What you attempted is exactly what everyone is getting wrong. Barton's comments reflected on the Obama administration's extra-legal actions in using government power to coerce money from a private entity. BP most certainly should pay every nickel of damages to all who are affected by the spill, and Barton did not dispute or disagree with that sentiment. To mischaracterize his statements as you did is deceptive and/or ignorant.
I agree with Wordkyle.
Shut up, Mzcrap.Run some more self righteous newspaper ads.
To anonymous 9:45...All you have to offer is a personal attack and some unrelated, obscure reference. Nice rebuttal, for you.*LOL@U*
Obscure? Not to those who know who you are.
To 11:09...I have NEVER paid for an advert in a newspaper, furthermore, I have NEVER, even so much as, sent a letter to an editor. Keep your day job, sucking farts out of upholstery at the local car wash, because YOU SUCK at being a sleuth.
You can usually tell just how on the mark someone is by the volumn of the howl from the left. Watch the money. See where it goes. Find out what new organization names ACORN has come up with in New Orleans and see how much of the $20B end up with them. This presidency is a scam. The people who support Obama are complete and utter idiots...each and everyone of them without exception. I don't know when the liberals got this dumb but they have been in charge of the public schools for a long time...absolute morons who think that the government taking money from the people creating jobs is going to make their lives better...they deserve to starve.
BARTON NAILED IT... IT'S A SHAME SUCH AS THE JOE WILSON INCIDENT. NAILED IT
8:29, when has it been tried and "failed miserably"? Look at Catalonia in the Spanish Civil War: they got rid of all businesses and let the workers control everything and their production went up 20%. The only reason it "failed" was because Germany was arming Franco and the Soviets started to get involved with the politics in the Republican forces.You educate yourself, it seems you have the need to more than I.
BP agreed to the amount of the fund. It was not a "shakedown" by the government nor a "coercion" nor "extra-legal". "It is a tragedy in the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown"---Joe BartonBy the way, Barton (and his defenders), BP is not a "Private Corporation". It is a "Public Corporation". Look it up.Oh yeah, Barton has now apologized for his statement.
1249 - BP "agreed" to something the administration forced them to do using political pressure. That works pretty well as an example of coercion. Plus BP is a private entity (which is what I said) even if it is a publicly-held corporation. Barton's apology likely had something to do with the government's demonization of BP, wouldn't you say? No politician wants to be the only one who is perceived as defending a monster -- even though that was not what he did.From NY Times columnist David Brooks: "...we have a set of laws, when somebody does something bad, does something negligent, to force them to pay and compensate those who were damaged. And that's all on the books. And what President Obama did when he very publicly and very brutally strong-armed BP into setting aside this $20 billion, is, he went around those laws."
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